Re Jetters
Posted in enart.xn--gmq282eogn.com on the March 12, 2010
One sales rep tried to sell me a root cutter on my big Jetter (3010) and I said great BUT how do you put water in reverse when the root cutter gets caught?
He packed up and left my office..
I know if the 11/4 cable or even the 3/4 cables get tangles I can play games by reversing and going forward etc Water does not give me this option.
Please reply if you have even tangled a water driven root cutter.
Thanks
Mark;)
ALWAYS a pleasure Chris as it makes the lists more entertaining when folks disagree
So if you have a 4" leader line NO CO's located on a high rise and the line is blocked just disregard it and run scupper to any outside bulkhead and let the water flow.
Many times the stoppages are bird feathers mixed with lose gravel.
The scale normally ends up in the buildings main storm trap as you have the sanitary and the storm, VERY hard to get a snake up a leader line
One sales rep tried to sell me a root cutter on my big Jetter (3010) and I said great BUT how do you put water in reverse when the root cutter gets caught?
He packed up and left my office..
I know if the 11/4 cable or even the 3/4 cables get tangles I can play games by reversing and going forward etc Water does not give me this option.
Please reply if you have even tangled a water driven root cutter.
Thanks
I use a Warthog nozzle for cutting roots... I will put the camera in the line, go up to the joint with roots, feed the nozzle up to the roots, back to camera head off abit, then turn the jetter on...IMO the Warthog is the best nozzle out there for cutting roots...never got caught in a line, and it only takes a min or 2 to completely remove all the roots...Ill go from joint to joint and do this...works everytime...then afterwards will install rootx to treat anything that i may have missed, like those stragglers you cant get...I personally dont like root saws for the reason that they actually do get caught up in municipal lines (8in) lines...i got caught up and had to feed a sectional down from the upper manhole to pop the head lose...you can imagine what kind of damage it did to the nozzle..we are going back 8yrs...To this day i wont use anything else on a jetter to cut roots but a warthog, or hogwash.
Greg
Now, I have blown through the side of a pipe due to either a crack or a bad fitting.
I think jetters are for the most part, very good machines, great cleaning capability, it's to bad the market here is packed with plumbers/jetting companies, I wouldn't make my money back if I was to purchase a large trailer jetter.
One thing I learned 3 years ago DO NOT snake a 38 STORY STORM DRAIN as trying to retrieve the 100ft of snake is not a one man job and a Jetter hose is a heck of a lot easier to retrieve[/quote]
amazing you've been doing plumbing for as long as you state and you just figured out 3 years ago that a cable weighs approx. 1.2# per foot plus the friction on the pipe and whatever else you bring back.
sounds like they didn't teach you much in school, or you were too busy to listen.
i've jetted 400' at a time and i would never think to snake more than 250'. especially down hill at a good grade.
knowledge comes from years of experiance, both in school and in the field. looks like you skipped that one:rolleyes:
rick.
greg, you got it right;)
rick
Very well put BUT have you considered when your working 3 or 4 levels below street level or even in a basement in a crowded city you really do not want to have a jetter hose where someone can fall over it Or go into your work van while your not in eye site?
Logistics one would take into consideration and not what licenses one holds.
The licenses protect the public not the license holder, as there is recourse if a licensed person screws up. A license means one made the attempt to be slightly above the run of the mill folks who never bother to go as far as they can in a chosen industry.
Spartan put out a great video a few years back saying Jetting will NOT take the place of snaking.
When going out in the dead of winter for a main sewer stoppage ILL-use the snake.
To each their own and I will still use the Rigid 750 and the General 90 electric eel 11/4 prior to using a jetter on a main sewer especially if I know roots are involved.
One thing I learned 3 years ago DO NOT snake a 38 STORY STORM DRAIN as trying to retrieve the 100ft of snake is not a one man job and a Jetter hose is a heck of a lot easier to retrieve
Logistics one would take into consideration and not what licenses one holds.
The licenses protect the public not the license holder, as there is recourse if a licensed person screws up. A license means one made the attempt to be slightly above the run of the mill folks who never bother to go as far as they can in a chosen industry.
Spartan put out a great video a few years back saying Jetting will NOT take the place of snaking.
When going out in the dead of winter for a main sewer stoppage ILL-use the snake.
To each their own and I will still use the Rigid 750 and the General 90 electric eel 11/4 prior to using a jetter on a main sewer especially if I know roots are involved.
One thing I learned 3 years ago DO NOT snake a 38 STORY STORM DRAIN as trying to retrieve the 100ft of snake is not a one man job and a Jetter hose is a heck of a lot easier to retrieve
38 Storeies???? wouldnt want to be the lucky person on the 1st floor of that building after all the scale collects at the bottom of the stack and backs up to the 1st floor :eek:
sounds like they didn't teach you much in school, or you were too busy to listen.
i've jetted 400' at a time and i would never think to snake more than 250'. especially down hill at a good grade.
knowledge comes from years of experiance, both in school and in the field. looks like you skipped that one:rolleyes:
rick.
Rick your correct about lack of drain cleaning education as the apprenticeship in "plumbing" never discussed drain cleaning or heating.
The problem being there are a lot of fly by nights (FBN'S) who love to see how low they can charge so many or the shops I worked in as an apprentice did not even own a snake let alone any Jetter.
If one was lucky the shop may have had a hand held snake and we were told do not spend more then 10 -15 on any stoppage.
When I had 18 employees I found it to be very cost effective to call in a drain cleaning company as many times they would charge less to clear a basin stoppage then I was paying my plumbing mechanics per hr.
This is still the case with many union shops as the journey gets over $45 per hr in the envelope and there are guys out there doing stoppages under $50 using their own vans and equipment.
What we normally did was pay the drain guy then double or triple his prices as many work exclusively for plumbing contractors and they left more then enough room for a hefty mark up.
Plumbing requires a license and in this area no license is required for sewer and drain cleaning thus it is a cut throat business where some folks are working really long hours as the skill level is perceived to be much lower.
The time I did use the snake and not the jetter had to do with the roof tank had no water connection and the 10,000 tank sits on I beans approximately 20 feet off the roof so the head pressure is under 10 PSI
Live and learn and if you read the NY post advertisement for apprentices just starting out who know nothing and they get $14 per hr plus benefits you can see why the U/A doesn't bother with drain cleaning applications.
I did find the General RAM Jet ideal for floor and roof drain blockages as long as the roof drain is not sleeved
Greg
greg, it looks like us drain cleaners are the real experts here. goes to show you a license doesn't mean one is qualified.
greg, you got it right;)
rick
Logistics one would take into consideration and not what licenses one holds.
The licenses protect the public not the license holder, as there is recourse if a licensed person screws up. A license means one made the attempt to be slightly above the run of the mill folks who never bother to go as far as they can in a chosen industry.
Spartan put out a great video a few years back saying Jetting will NOT take the place of snaking.
When going out in the dead of winter for a main sewer stoppage ILL-use the snake.
To each their own and I will still use the Rigid 750 and the General 90 electric eel 11/4 prior to using a jetter on a main sewer especially if I know roots are involved.
One thing I learned 3 years ago DO NOT snake a 38 STORY STORM DRAIN as trying to retrieve the 100ft of snake is not a one man job and a Jetter hose is a heck of a lot easier to retrieve
I jet lines 3 or 4 levels beneath the street in a busy Phila Center City neighborhood, i have cones set up, and 2 other guys, with me..one standing at the jet, one watching me at the top of the ditch...
basements are no problem jetting after you clear the block with a cable.
Of course Spartan put out a video on how jetting will not take over snakes...They are in the SNAKE business..sure they sell jetters, but concentrate on snaking...
The Jetters will never take over the place of snakes, but they do a better job of CLEANING a line
What about when the sewage is frozen in the pipes in the dead of winter?? would much rather have hot water running thru the jetter, then trying to bust up ice with a snake
Ain't that the truth!:eek:
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